Friday, March 29, 2013

Goku vs Superman Re-Analysis

LAST EDITED MARCH 31, 2013 FOR MATH RE-CHECKS
LAST EDITED APRIL 1, 2013 FOR ADDITIONAL NOTES

LAST EDITED APRIL 2, 2013 FOR ADDING STATS FIX AS WELL AS SOME ADDED NOTES.
Before I start, I'd just like to say I don't want to spark any debate, hate, or controversy off of this. I'm only sharing the math that I managed to calculate. As a die-hard DBZ (and Superman) fan, I had a feeling that the stats were off for Goku. So without further ado, here's my own research. I did this after hours and hours of doing some long Math, and I even had to miss a few assignments. But hey, in my opinion it was worth it!

BEFORE YOU CONTINUE, READ THIS. HERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT SCREWATTACK WERE WRONG ABOUT/FAILED AT:

  • Screw Attack tried to make power levels completely useless, however they didn't provide the PROPER reasons. HERE are the reasons: Ki can be suppressed, so if they are inaccurate, the power level is weaker than the warrior actually is. Second, they became irrelevant to the story. What would be the point of them if they only made warriors look weaker than they are?
  • THEY USED GT. GT WAS COMPLETELY NON-CANON. It shouldn't have even been in the fight in the first place! So, for this re-analysis, we will not be using any statistics or factors from GT.
  • ALSO, they judged strength only on how much Superman and Goku would lift, when rather it should be judged on how much force said warrior can exert by themselves. This applies to Goku moreso than Superman, since he can exert Ki which amplifies his physical bodies' capabilities (SIGNIFICANTLY), as well as transfer it in an out-of-body way. For example, the strength of Goku's Kamehameha should be inputted into the actual battle. Screw Attack greatly overlooked this; only keeping in mind a traditional definition of strength.
  • Finally, when using the part in DBZ where Goku was struggling to lift the weights, this wasn't his true power. Goku was using absolutely no ki when he was doing this. Goku has the ability to reduce his power to normal HUMAN levels if he so chooses. One example is how Goku was hurt when Krillin threw a rock at his face. Another example is how Goku is afraid of needles! When he is in medical care after the Saiyan saga and is about to be injected with a needle, he freaks out. Why? Because he's FORCED to be in normal human conditions. He's obviously not going to power up! It would cause the room to blow up and the needle would blend on his skin! Anyways, back to my point. In the manga, you obviously see NO aura around Goku, which leads us to assume that he was completely powered down and didn't expect the weights to weigh as much as they did! Toriyama makes him go Super Saiyan so King Kai could demonstrate how drastic Super Saiyan 1 is. If Goku used even a LITTLE Ki in base form, he would be able to easily the weights, too. And if anyone says "you shouldn't assume", Toriyama wants us to assume. Here's the scan:
OKAY! NOW THAT YOU'RE DONE READING THE ABOVE, CONTINUE TO THIS:

GOKU VS SUPERMAN: Statistical Re-analysis!
STRENGTH:
NOTE: Goku was using absolutely NO ki when he was strugglingwith the weights. This 160,000 ton strength assumes that he is powered down tothe max in SSJ4. We will not be usingSSJ4 for this, as GT is non-canon and unreliable.
Goku Super Saiyan (on Namek)= 150,000,000
(Scan for proof):

Vegeta’s Galick Gun (on Earth, which could destroy Earth)= 25,000 (WHICH EQUALS 53 QUADRILLION MT,SINCE BOTH CAN DESTROY THE EARTH)
(KEEP IN MIND: Goku can exert A LOT more strength than 2,500)
150,000,000(SSJ Goku on Namek) / 25,000
=60,000   ---> 60,000 x 53 quadrillion megatons = 3.18E+20 (3180000000000000000)
Goku’s REALStrength as a Super Saiyan lets him inflict 3,180,000,000,000,000,000 Megatons of Force (3.18 quintillion megatons w/ ki)
SUPERMAN’S STRENGTH IS6.6E+18 QUINILLION MEGATONS
We then multiply by the Super Saiyan 2 Multiplier and we get 6.9 Quintillion Megatons of Strength. If this isn't enough, we multiply SSJ2 by 4 to get SSJ3, and we get 27.6 Quintillion Megatons of strength. So, during SSJ2 Goku is slightly stronger than Superman. 
Remember: This calculation multiplies by SSJ GOKU DURING THE FRIEZA SAGA. THIS IS NON-INCLUSIVE OF HIS POWER INCREASE FROM THE CELL SAGA AND BEYOND. 
Meaning:
Goku SSJ1 (Frieza Saga) > Superman>
DURABILITY:
Before we start, remember durability is always higher than strength. In order to apply a force forstrength, the body must always be able to withstand more than the strengthexerted, or else the amount of Ki would DIMINSH the body.
Although there are nofeats to support Goku’s durability, there are basic logic checks we can apply.Super Perfect Cell was a solar system buster. Before anyone freaks out,Daizenshuu has confirmed Cell IS ASOLAR SYSTEM BUSTER (stated by Daizenshuu 7), and the solar system includes the SUN.

Since it required 53 quadrillion megatons to destroy the Earth,and approximately 3,296,159,650,000,000,000,000,000,000 Earths fit in the solarsystem, we do:
 53 quadrillion megatons x 3,296,159,650,000,000,000,000,000,000= 2.809e+45 MEGATONS!!!!
MEANING,GOKU’S DURABILITY IS AT LEAST 2.8 QUATTUORDECILLION MEGATONS!!!!!!!ALMOST 8 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF SUPERMAN’S DURABILITY. Also, this is the strengthis Super Perfect Cells Strength! Goku SSJ2>Super Perfect Cell. Sincedurability>strength, this means Goku’s durability is likely MUCH HIGHER than2.8 QUATTUORDECILLION MEGATONS. AND THIS IS ONLY SSJ2. SSJ3 WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER, AND SUPER SAIYAN GOD WOULD BLOW THIS NUMBER OUT OF THE WATER!


***(FIX ADDED TO DURABILITY ADDED. SCROLL TO END OF PAGE)***

CONCLUSION:

I have PROVEN (using my own research) that Goku is much stronger and moredurable than Superman. Even by some slim chance I got the durability wrong,Superman’s strength wouldn’t be enough to hurt Goku as long as Goku’s strengthcould pound Superman into the dirt! Also keep in mind the final result for strength is gathered by getting Goku's strength during the FRIEZA SAGA. Again, his power boost from training in later sagas in non-inclusive; meaning his strength is stronger than I made it seem.


***FIX: It requires 2.12E+54 megatons to destroy the solar system (or 2.12 Septendecillion Megatons of Strength)! MORE THAN I PREVIOUSLY CALCULATED, WHICH ONLY FURTHERS MY POINT. MEANING, GOKU SSJ2 (stronger than Cell who could achieve this feat) IS CAPABLE OF EXERTING THIS MUCH FORCE. And he obviously is more than capable of surviving this force, since he is also more than capable of exerting it. So even if I somehow miscalculated strength, this is definitive proof.

MYTHS Q&A:

Q: Superman took 15 suns to his face and didn't die! How could Goku compete with that?!
A: The villain Bills has the ability to destroy galaxies. The milky-way galaxy has about 300 billion suns, which means Bills has the power to destroy at least that. Super Saiyan God Goku is a step beneath that, but his strength isn't quantified enough for this fight. We can assume, however, he is capable of a little less than that; perhaps 75% of a galaxy (speculation).


Q: BUT SUPER SAIYAN GOD REQUIRES OUTSIDE HELP!
A: Activating it does. However, Goku loses the form in the movie but is able to learn the forms power and KEEP IT. That's the reason he doesn't DIE. With the retained power, he faught Bills as a SUPER SAIYAN. Theoretically, he can go much higher than that.


Q: Then why doesn't Goku's punches destroy the planet?
A: The enemy he's inflicting damage on has a high enough durability to withstand the force of his punches

Q: What about Vegeta's Final Atonement?
A: Vegeta was able to concentrate his Ki; allowing him to make it a liable volume to destroy Majin Buu without harming the Earth. However, the amount of Ki he was exerting was equal to his max durability, effectively killing him.


Q: What about when SSJ4 Goku struggled to pick up a city?
A: *sigh* Here we go again... DBGT IS COMPLETELY NON-CANON AND IS FAR OFF BASE FROM THE ORIGINAL DB AND DBZ SERIES. If Oozaru's can lift and destroy cities, why wouldn't SSJ4 Goku be able to? That would imply that NORMAL SAIYAN OOZARU'S HAVE THE SAME STRENGTH AS SSJ4 GOKU.


Q: Why do you assume so much?!
A: My assumptions are backed up with 100% reasoning that you can choose to agree on or not. This is a HYPOTHETICAL fight between two characters from DIFFERENT universes. This battle required assumptions.



Q: What about Superman Prime One Million?!
A: He would fart the entire Z Universe away. But I'm using the modern Superman.